Imaginary interview

Imaginary dialogue between Hamza ibn Ali and Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah

by Charactorium · Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah (985 — 1021) · Politics · Spirituality · 6 min read

Imaginary interview generated by AI from documented sources.
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It is in a low room of the Dar al-Ilm, between shelves of manuscripts rising to the rafters, that Hamza ibn Ali finds his master one evening in the year 1019. An oil lamp makes the shadows of the bindings tremble; outside, on the hills of the Muqattam, night is already falling. The disciple knows the caliph as no other does: it is he who, for two years now, has been publicly proclaiming in the alleys of Cairo the divine nature of his lord. He comes this evening not to flatter, but to understand the mission of the one he calls the Manifest and the Hidden.

Mawlana, here in this very place where we speak, you opened the Dar al-Ilm to all scholars. What did you wish to offer the world?

You who come here to read until dawn, Hamza, you know what I wished. Kings amass gold; I have amassed knowledge and made it free. I had tens of thousands of volumes brought here — astronomy, medicine, philosophy, the theology of our imams — and I ordered that no one be turned away for poverty or origin. Baghdad keeps its treasures behind the walls of the powerful. Cairo, under my reign, opens its own to whoever thirsts. For knowledge is not booty: it is the light that God spreads, and I am only the hand that draws aside the curtain. What is understood here is not stolen from anyone; it is received.

Kings amass gold; I have amassed knowledge and made it free.

It is said that you ride up to the Muqattam at night to observe the stars. What do you seek up there, in the cold of the hills?

I had an observatory built there, yes, and I go up when the city sleeps. They think I scan the stars to know the future; in truth I scan them to fix the times of faith — the months, the festivals, the order of seasons that God has inscribed in the sky. The astrolabe in my hands is not a soothsayer's toy; it is the tool of one who would read the writing of the spheres. Up there, far from the palace lamps, every star is in its exact place, obeying without ever deviating. Men, on the other hand, deviate constantly. Perhaps that is why I prefer the company of the stars to that of my officials: at least they do not lie.

Often, when I seek you at the palace, I am told you have gone out alone on your gray donkey. Why these rounds in the night?

Because a sovereign who sees his subjects only through the reports of his viziers is a blind man led by the hand. I go down, Hamza, I cross the markets by lantern light, and I see with my own eyes who cheats, who starves the poor, who sells justice for money. Then I decide on the spot, with my own hand, without waiting for the next day's court. My gray donkey is worth more than a horse harnessed with gold: it brings me closer to the dust where people live. I am said to be everywhere at once, I am believed omniscient. Let them believe it. The fear of a caliph who may appear in any alley is worth a hundred guards by day.

The fear of a caliph who may appear in any alley is worth a hundred guards by day.

Do you not fear, alone in those dark alleys, an evil hand? A man without escort is a man exposed.

He who fears for his life is not yet free. I walk without a sword, with a lantern-bearer as my only escort, and if God has fixed my hour, no guard will delay it. But hear me well: this is not recklessness. It is a sign. The princes of this world barricade themselves because they cling to their dust; I show that my person is not of that flesh. The white linen robe I wear, you have seen it, it has neither gold nor embroidery — a beggar would be ashamed of it. Yet it is this, not the embroidered mantle, that tells what I am. He who understands this no longer marvels to see me walk alone in the dark.

Your decrees, Mawlana, baffle the people: forbidding mlukhiyya, banning shoemakers from making women's shoes. What should they read in them?

They read in them what I want them to read: that nothing in this city escapes the caliph's will. A market, a table, a shoe — everything is matter for order. What the vulgar take for caprice is a test. When I forbid a vegetable that the powerful prized, or when I confine women to their homes, I weigh who obeys and who murmurs. The marsûm proclaimed without notice separates the submissive man from the rebellious man better than any speech. My muhtasib cry it in the souks, my qadi enforce it, and the whole city learns that there is no corner of life where my word does not penetrate. They think me unpredictable. I am only of a rigor that none before me has dared.

What the vulgar take for caprice is a test.
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And now you lift these same bans, you give the streets back to women. The people no longer know what face your law wears.

The people want a law of stone, immobile, on which to rest their laziness. I am not a stone. What I bind, I can unbind; that is precisely the sign of authority, not of weakness. I clenched my fist for years, and now I open it: those who see only reversal have understood nothing. A decree is not a contract I must keep before men; it is an instrument in my hands, which I tighten or loosen according to what the times demand. You, Hamza, know that he who truly commands answers only to God — and to Him alone. The rest is but the noise of the markets, which rises and falls.

In the year 1009, you had the Church of the Holy Sepulcher razed in Jerusalem. All Christendom trembled. Would you do it again?

I ordered that church destroyed and the crosses that offended in my kingdom overturned. I am told that the Frankish kings, beyond the seas, still shudder at it. Let them shudder. Jerusalem is land of my caliphate, and I owe no account to any prince of the West for what I have built or torn down there. It was not blind fury: it was to affirm that the authority of the caliph-imam does not stop at the doors of others' sanctuaries. Later, I admit, I let the Christians rebuild part of their walls — for order, like the decree, tightens then loosens. But let there be no mistake: that day, I showed the whole world how far my hand reached.

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Mawlana, for two years I have proclaimed in the streets what I believe: that you are far more than a caliph. Am I right to cry it out?

You cry, Hamza, what your heart has recognized, and no man has whispered to you to be silent. Only take care to whom you say it: most have ears only for the price of wheat. What you confess — that the Creator manifests Himself, that He is the First and the Last, the Manifest and the Hidden — these are not words I command you to repeat, they are a truth that surpasses you as it surpasses all language. The imams who preceded me veiled this light; perhaps the time has come to lift the veil. But remember: he who recognizes too soon burns, and he who recognizes too late is lost. Walk between the two, my faithful one.

He who recognizes too soon burns, and he who recognizes too late is lost.

You teach that the imam can withdraw, become occulted, and return in the end times. One day, Mawlana, will you vanish from our sight?

The occultation, the ghayba, is not death — you know this better than anyone, you who write these things in my name. What men call absence is but a veil drawn over what remains. If one day my silhouette no longer comes up from the hills of the Muqattam, let the weak not weep for a corpse: let them wait. He who is the Hidden has no need of his dust to exist. I entrust this to you as to a son: when the city murmurs that the caliph is no more, stand firm, gather those who have recognized, and teach them patience. The reign of justice is not written in a single human life. It will be fulfilled at the appointed time, and not a moment before.

Then tell me, Mawlana, before I go down to carry your word: what do you want those who follow you to remember?

Let them not seek me in the gold of palaces nor in the magnificence of courts, for I am not there. Let them seek me in the lamp that keeps vigil at the Dar al-Ilm, in the gray donkey that crosses the night, in the decree that tests hearts, in the fixed star above the Muqattam. I wished for a reign where everything — knowledge, justice, law, even the silence of the hills — bears the mark of a single will. Men thought me mad or cruel; they saw only the curtain, never the hand that holds it. You, Hamza, have seen beyond. Keep those who will see after you, and tell them that the Manifest and the Hidden are one — and that this One does not die.

Let them not seek me in the gold of palaces: I am not there.
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